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Poster: William Tell Date: Oct 11, 2011 10:40pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: TDIH...there's only ONE: 12 Oct 1968.

Everyone knows it...find it, listen to it; enjoy.

Do it again tomorrow and make someone else here happy (the one who prefers the 13th).

Don't forget, Arb wants it piped in to his casket.

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Poster: Jim F Date: Oct 13, 2011 12:20am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH...there's only ONE: 12 Oct 1968.

ha "Do it again tomorrow and make someone else here happy (the one who prefers the 13th)."

That's me, I'm guilty...well I've always said I liked The Eleven from 10/13 a lot more. Perhaps I'll sit down and listen to both shows all the way through, and who knows, I might change my opinion and find 10/12 overall the better of the two.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Oct 13, 2011 9:53pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH...there's only ONE: 12 Oct 1968.

Ha--sorry, couldn't recall!

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Oct 12, 2011 5:44am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH...there's only ONE: 12 Oct 1968.

Essential.

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1968-10-12.sbd.miller.115593.flac16

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Poster: rastamon Date: Oct 12, 2011 11:18am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH...there's only ONE: 12 Oct 1968.

this is a happytrain speedin down the rails at LL, DL'd in @15min >>
(thats better)

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1968-10-13.sbd.miller.115606.flac16

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Poster: Arbuthnot Date: Oct 12, 2011 1:04pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH...there's only ONE: 12 Oct 1968.

thanks W.T., believe it or not, this 10/12 show still gets regular plays in my rotation, it's just that good and never gets old ... PEAK ACID DEAD!

to clementinescaboose: great 10/12 write up!

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Poster: clementinescaboose Date: Oct 12, 2011 8:38pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH...there's only ONE: 12 Oct 1968.

muchas gracias!!!

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Poster: sambonk2 Date: Oct 12, 2011 8:37am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH...there's only ONE: 12 Oct 1968.

AGREED...THE SHOW....MY FAV OF ALL TIME AS WELL

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Poster: rdenirojb87 Date: Oct 12, 2011 5:28pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH...there's only ONE: 12 Oct 1968.

haha i just noticed at about 3:05 in st. stephen, right after "one man gathers what another man spills," bob says "funniest thing i've ever heard!"

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Poster: William Tell Date: Oct 12, 2011 8:17pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH...there's only ONE: 12 Oct 1968.

When this was broadcast during a "DEAD history" bit by an SF radio station in 1976, we recorded it, noting that phrase, and then over the years, detecting (only in the early era?), that Phil sometimes "clears his throat" or sez "excuse me" (?) or Bob sez "I'll take some of that" and other lines that escape me. This is by far the best one however, IMHO.

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Poster: Jim F Date: Oct 13, 2011 12:20am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH...there's only ONE: 12 Oct 1968.

ha "Do it again tomorrow and make someone else here happy (the one who prefers the 13th)."

That's me, I'm guilty...well I've always said I liked The Eleven from 10/13 a lot more. Perhaps I'll sit down and listen to both shows all the way through, and who knows, I might change my opinion and find 10/12 overall the better of the two.

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Poster: clementinescaboose Date: Oct 13, 2011 7:16pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH...10/12 vs. 10/13

I would not argue with anyone who prefers the Eleven from 10/13, i find equally as stunning as the one from 10/12!

Personally I think 10/13's first set is just about as good as the 12th. 10/12's 2nd set blows 10/13's away though, imho. And the SQ is just so much better. I think this is why I've always preferred the 12th personally. But in the end these shows are both fantastic and some of the finest of year!

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Poster: Jim F Date: Oct 14, 2011 12:27am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH...10/12 vs. 10/13

I think that would probably be my position, that I like the first set from 10/13 better, and the second from 10/12. Though I do enjoy the brief alligator/cautionish jam from 10/13, the extended segment (not to mention a more complete New Potato) make the 12th the better choice. Honestly I cannot recall any specifics that would differentiate the Other One sequences for me to be able to pick a favorite. I still haven't listened to either show...but it's on my list!

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Poster: WillCo Date: Oct 14, 2011 8:35am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Unrelated post - help needed

I come in peace. Please forgive me clementinescaboose for interrupting your thread .... My only way into the forum at the moment (see below) was by "replying" to one the "recent posts" table on the IA home page. So I chose one of yours - didn't want to wake up any trolls.

Help needed!

I've lost access to all the forums on my PC. The LMA page loads fine, and the GD collection opens fine, but below the "this just in" table there's no forum, just this message:

Fatal error: Call to private method Cache::cacheDataStructure() from context '' in /usr/local/petabox/www/common/Cache.inc on line 157

Does anyone recognize this message? I don't know about cache issues, nor the Petabox. Could this be a cookie problem? I run Vista and IE9, and the PC works fine oterwise.

If anyone can help I expect I'll be alerted to a response by email and will be able to link to the reply. Thanks in anticipation!

Repeated apologies. Now back to your thread.

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or Stafftracey pooh Date: Oct 14, 2011 10:03am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Unrelated post - help needed

sorry, my bad -- should be fixed now!
-tracey, archive staff

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Poster: unclejohn52 Date: Oct 14, 2011 10:15am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Unrelated post - help needed

Thank you! We were all concerned...

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or Stafftracey pooh Date: Oct 14, 2011 10:29am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Unrelated post - help needed

yah, a ~15 hour outtage on forums
*is* something to be concerned about 8-p

sorry again!

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Poster: WillCo Date: Oct 14, 2011 12:51pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Unrelated post - help needed

Absence makes the heart grow fonder.

I'm beginning to be paranoid about my computer's hateful behaviour. Am so relieved when it turns out to be someone else's problem. Was not at all looking forward to seeking help from the tekky forums elsewhere.

Those anxious about my cries for help on the LMA forum will be relieved to hear that "the player" works again. Could have been something to do with ditching all my temporary internet files. Go figure.

Thanks.

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Poster: jgIynn1.2 Date: Oct 14, 2011 8:24am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Forums down?

The only way I could get here was from the 'recent posts' window. Trying to access regular way and there is some sort of cache error.

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Poster: dark.starz Date: Oct 13, 2011 8:22pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH...10/12 vs. 10/13

Personally,

I'd like to send out a hearty thanks to Dr. WM Tell whose 10/12/68 link yesterday introduced my ears to an amazing performance from the 60s.

Just when you think you've heard it all a lil nugget pops up and amazes the senses from an extraordinary expedition into the soul and spirit of music disguised as the rock and roll band the Grateful Dead.

There are folks from all over the world that check into this place daily and from time-to-time discover a link to previously unheard musical magic!


*** WARNING *** Do not operate heavy machinery while listening to 10/12/68.

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Poster: clementinescaboose Date: Oct 11, 2011 11:00pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH...there's only ONE: 12 Oct 1968.

Dammit Tell! I had just written a wonderful (imho - don't mean to toot my own horn here) essay I was going to post at the stroke of midnight for this monumental performance!

I should have known, it being one of your all-timers, you'd beat me to it. Well, I'm posting it anyway, hope you don't mind ;)

A Monumental TDIH 1968

This day in history from the Avalon Ballroom is perhaps the band’s finest offering from 1968. It’s an absolutely classic show from start to finish; whether you’re a fan of the era or not, it does not matter: this show belongs in everyone’s collection.

The elementary dance number to start things off is a moody masterpiece in miniature. Though not as intense as some Dark Stars from this era, this more introspective version remains a favorite of mine—Jerry is wonderfully lyrical and dynamic, and Phil is right there with him.

A powerhouse St. Stephen>The Eleven follows, The Eleven especially, being one of the greatest of all time. The whole band is “just exactly perfect” and the jam is as wild, hard driving, and electric as it gets. I love when someone (Bob or Phil?) calls out the minor key transition, too. Death Don’t Have No Mercy is, as usual, a hot and sweaty blues excursion, but this version seems to have a little extra danger about it.

They may have saved the best for set 2, however. This Other One is truly a majestic beast, burning with fire and determination like I have heard in no other. I would not hesitate to call it a top five version of the entire suite. Everyone is totally in synch. Every note by Garcia is perfectly placed. Almost too perfect to be live, but too great to be rehearsed!

The spacey segue into New Potato is wonderful, and then we get a classic reading of this tune, Phil taking a truly astonishing ‘thirteens style’ solo. A short, powerful drums segment precedes a totally out-of-nowhere Jam that bounces all kinds of themes around, including Alligator, The Other One and even a brief stopover at Caution. Only one way to describe this jam (and the whole show really up to this point)-Primal! The jam lends its way into a brain-melting feedback that sadly gets cut off, and- whew! -we’re back on Earth.

You can guarantee I’ll be blaring this one loud and clear today!




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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Oct 12, 2011 7:44am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH...there's only ONE: 12 Oct 1968.

And it's a lady's choice!

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Oct 11, 2011 11:08pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH...there's only ONE: 12 Oct 1968.

http://lostlivedead.blogspot.com/2010/06/october-12-1968-avalon-ballroom-san.html

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Poster: rastamon Date: Oct 12, 2011 6:55am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH...there's only ONE: 12 Oct 1968.

Did Hendrix really jam with the Dead? I really want to believe this eyewitness story from the blogspot >

There is a note attached to this show that there was no performance emanated from Blue Ron, but of little note there should be amended that towards the end of the Dead's venture into their nightly featured mania called Feedback, Jimi Hendrix came up on stage and added his howl to the ongoing din.

This is no lie. I saw it with my own eyes. Jimi came up on stage and played with the Dead. Nobody noticed and nobody said anything. There was no announcement.

After countless years of research consisting of reading every record ever written about the Grateful Dead, asking people in the know like Rock Scully, Danny Riskin, Chet Helms, David Gans and David Lemieux, and asking hundreds of various Dead Heads, past and present, apparently, I am the only one who ever saw Jimi actually get up there and play.

I'm not asking you to take my word for it and I surely would like it if someone could corroborate my claim, but it doesn't really matter in the long run. I saw what I saw and I was not stoned or altered, mentally or physically, in any way.

It happened just as I say it happened...on this night...forty unforgettable years ago.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Oct 12, 2011 7:58am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH...there's only ONE: 12 Oct 1968.

It's just the old quote from Evan S. Hunt, who strangely, has the same name, and is roughly the same age, as the older brother of a classmate of mine in the East Bay, and sez he went to Diablo Valley College, which fits the MO of said older brother. In any case, knowing him, indirectly, and having read his other reviews out of curiosity of him potentially being this older brother, I don't put ANY stock in it...sorry, if you're reading this Evan, but I doubt it.

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Poster: Arbuthnot Date: Oct 12, 2011 1:11pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH...there's only ONE: 12 Oct 1968.

"Did Hendrix really jam with the Dead?"

No, it never happened, and i'll tell you why: if you think 40+ years can go by without any mention by the members of the GD that the greatest guitarist who ever walked the earth, one evening stepped on stage and jammed with them, then you're probably just silly enough to think 5/8/77 never happened either, and really at that point there is no hope for you and you may as well just join a monastary (or convent as the case may be) and start believing in something even more unfathomable

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Oct 12, 2011 10:45am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH...there's only ONE: 12 Oct 1968.

Sure he did!

And Jim Morrison sat in with the Grateful Dead at the Shrine in '67...

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Oct 12, 2011 10:03am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH...there's only ONE: 12 Oct 1968.

I wouldn't believe much Evan Hunt says. In any case, Hendrix was playing his own two shows at Winterland on Oct 12.
More details here -
http://deadessays.blogspot.com/2009/08/hendrix-and-dead.html

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Oct 12, 2011 10:59am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH...there's only ONE: 12 Oct 1968.

Why? I find some of his reviews spot on and well written.

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Oct 12, 2011 12:35pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH...there's only ONE: 12 Oct 1968.

Like this one?
http://www.archive.org/details/gd69-05-07.sbd.cotsman.6028.sbeok.shnf

Or this one?
http://www.archive.org/details/gd1970-04-15.sbd.lai.6644.sbefail.shnf

Or this one?
http://www.archive.org/details/gd1966-11-29.sbd.graham-perlstein.106497.flac16

Or this one?
http://www.archive.org/details/gd72-10-09.sbd.vernon.5249.sbeok.shnf

Those are some of the more detailed ones; sometimes he's utterly loony.
Gotta love how on 10/12/68, he says he & his football buddies really went to see the openers Mance Lipscomb & Linn County - and also how the Dead played til well past the 2 am curfew (no doubt explaining why their show's so short, all of 80 minutes!)
And as usual, he pays special attention to the weather: "I still count this as one of the most utterly perfect weeks in my life. The crystal clear days and nights were warm and balmy with an unending gentle breeze. The air was soft and caressing to the skin."

I especially love his reviews of the Berkeley '72 run, like the wedding party on the 21st -
http://www.archive.org/details/gd72-08-21.sbd.hamilton.150.sbeok.shnf
- or talking to Bear on the 25th -
http://www.archive.org/details/gd1972-08-25.sbd.miller.92840.sbeok.flac16
- while, at the same time, helping his fainting girlfriend! -
http://www.archive.org/details/gd72-08-25.sbd.8474.unknown.sbeok.shnf ("I failed on this night to write down the setlist order in my journal because my girlfriend was feeling faint and I could not keep copious notes while trying to care for her.")
But who knows, every word could be true.

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Poster: clementinescaboose Date: Oct 12, 2011 8:44pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH...there's only ONE: 12 Oct 1968.

His review of 5/7/69 is hilarious!

"Near the end of the Airplaneâs set Ed, my fellow traveler, came bounding up with two hotties who wanted to experiment in free love, and that we should not let them down. We agreed and took them back to Edâs Oldsmobile and made exquisite kamaikaze sex with these two girls. After such we let them out of the car, drove silently towards home and never spoke to each other again about the Grateful Dead being outra de element."

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Oct 12, 2011 2:12pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH...there's only ONE: 12 Oct 1968.

Wow. I have never read any of the reviews you cited. I can see your pov. The reviews I've read from him are in the 'last half', and don't contain any storytelling, simply his take on a show. Seems night & day.

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1982-08-28.sbd.walker-scotton.miller.106749.flac16

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1984-04-01.fob.sonyECM220t.kirschner.miller.95693.sbeok.flac16

http://www.archive.org/details/gd90-10-17.dsbd.wiley.11613.sbeok.shnf

While on the subject, is their a reviewer whose ear and pen you like?

This might cause acid reflux for some, but oh_uh_um_ah (I know) has a usually short, but point on commentary.

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Poster: rdenirojb87 Date: Oct 12, 2011 3:57pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH...there's only ONE: 12 Oct 1968.

i actually agree about islam sucks! many of my favorite shows contain reviews by him, and he's actually got a good ear for the music if you look at some of his reviews. whether he's a douchenozzle or not is irrelevant in critiquing his reviews.

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Poster: vapors Date: Oct 12, 2011 5:03pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH...there's only ONE: 12 Oct 1968.

You have got to be kidding. It is all well to give credit where credit is due.

For example, it could be easily stated :
“Right on Tell – this show will forever be worth mentioning, listening to… and so on and so forth”

Now I’m not saying that anyone should care what I think but you guys implying some sort of validity to the “commentary” you point to has me questioning your sense of reason.

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Poster: rdenirojb87 Date: Oct 12, 2011 5:19pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH...there's only ONE: 12 Oct 1968.

I wasn't kidding, but I am questioning myself now that I've looked back at his so-called reviews. I remember a lot of my favorite shows ever, had reviews by him. I guess I picked up on that and figured he must have similar musical tastes to me when it comes to the GD. However I now see he's "reviewed" over 300 shows! Most of them, not even reviews as you all know.

I remember a couple reviews that had some significance but I can't find them now among all the other crap he posted.

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Oct 12, 2011 5:45pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH...there's only ONE: 12 Oct 1968.

I don't remember reviewers unless they are current forum users or they keep popping up on shows, and sources of those shows, that I pick. Hunt & om just show up enough, and are interesting enough, for me to remember their handle. However, to find a particular scintillating review by them is wasting time.


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Poster: TOOTMO Date: Oct 13, 2011 7:32am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH...there's only ONE: 12 Oct 1968.

What about Capn Doubledose? Or, Dr. Flashback?
The Dr. actually showed up here on the forum about a month ago or so. He made one post and disappeared again. Perhaps, he was in the midst of one and didn't realize it was the Forum, "Dammit, why do they keep changing the format for entering reviews? Dammit, Jim. I'm a doctor, not Konrad Zuse!!"

Judge TOOTMO

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Poster: vapors Date: Oct 12, 2011 6:17pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH...there's only ONE: 12 Oct 1968.

The music is what suffices, and all hail to those here that point the way!
Past advice to me from you has been along the lines of ‘don’t be afraid to speak your mind.’
Hence: just because someone keeps popping up doesn’t make them noteworthy or interesting, and I often find their posts prove quite the contrary. (Like you say – a waste of time.)

No disrespect meant to you or rd. Being able to participate in this forum was no small step for me, and it has since been dear to me. I have found that learning which posters to ignore makes it much more digestible. For me it has been an acquired taste, and one that certainly must serve each member in an individual way. Anyhow, peace be with you. I have moved on:
http://www.archive.org/details/gd1968-10-13.sbd.miller.115606.flac16

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Oct 12, 2011 6:20pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH...there's only ONE: 12 Oct 1968.

Lord, no disrespect taken at all v.

>Being able to participate in this forum was no small step for me

This is more an off line conversation, but you have shared that before w/me. Whatever policy sees you through. high flow has a whole charting system for handles he ignores. (I think you commented on that thread if I remember.)

>and it has since been dear to me.

I'm right there with you.

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Poster: vapors Date: Oct 12, 2011 6:58pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH...there's only ONE: 12 Oct 1968.

> I’m right there with you.
I know ;)
(as Lou wipes us off the page with shenanigans of note)

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Poster: William Tell Date: Oct 12, 2011 9:45pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH...there's only ONE: 12 Oct 1968.

Hey, wait a minute...did someone actually say that?

Funny...

;)

Hope all's well, D!

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Oct 12, 2011 3:21pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH...there's only ONE: 12 Oct 1968.

I haven't really tried to trace any particular reviewers I like...

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Poster: wisconsindead Date: Oct 12, 2011 6:15am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH...there's only ONE: 12 Oct 1968.

Nice write up dude. I've been bumping this show constantly since I got it from you. The jam to end the show is more than superb. My all time favorite eleven which just EXPLODES out of william tell. I need to pay more attention to the that's it, I don't know it well enough.

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Poster: clementinescaboose Date: Oct 12, 2011 11:26am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH...there's only ONE: 12 Oct 1968.

Check it out again for sure. That Other One is seriously one of the very best, it has such a great sense of flow and purpose and never meanders, they just don't let up once. The Crytical outro too is just sooooo epic! I never get tired of it...

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